What happened to the PAP2T?

[FarmerBob]

I have been glancing through here and see that all the talk is about Grandstream ATA's. What happened to the Linksys PAP2T that was the main ATA?

[VOIPoTim]

I have been glancing through here and see that all the talk is about Grandstream ATA's. What happened to the Linksys PAP2T that was the main ATA?

We haven't purchased them in a very long time and have been primarily shipping Grandstreams.

There is nothing wrong with the Linksys devices, but we started buying exclusively Grandstream for two reasons.

1) Financial - Linksys priced themselves right out of the market and they devices such as the PAP2 are priced so high that it don't make sense from a financial standpoint for budget providers to purchase them. Once Cisco took over, they stopped discounting except at extremely high quantities (tens of thousands of units per purchase). Grandstream prices their devices appropriately.

2) Router - Grandstream HT502s offer a built in router. 99.99999999999999% of all problems that customers experience are caused by customer routers. Assuming the customer doesn't have a modem/router combo unit, having a device that can be connected directly to their modem and therefore bypassing the customer router entirely drastically cuts down on service issues and simples support. There's also a segment of customers that doesn't have a router and only has a single port available on their modem so they have no where to plug in the device normally, but with the HT502 the built in router is there to solve the issue.

Again, the PAP2s have no issues...the Grandstream devices just make more sense for the above reasons. We still have thousands of PAP2s out and ship them right by out when they come in from cancellations.

[ThorsDad]

I just subscribed to VOIPo and am glad I received a HT502. All the ports on my router are full and the dual Ethernet ports on the HT502 allowed me to easily install it in bridge mode. With the PAP2 it looks like I would have had to buy another switch to make room for it. Why would I want a PAP2?

[LoadStar]

Ok, what about the RT31P2 that I received a year ago? I'm guessing that there are far less of those floating around than either the PAP2 and the HT502.

[VOIPoTim]

Ok, what about the RT31P2 that I received a year ago? I'm guessing that there are far less of those floating around than either the PAP2 and the HT502.

I'd estimate we have at least 3,000 RTs floating around.

[Mike_TV]

I started out with a PAP2T for about a year or so with Voipo but when the 2nd line port died and was replaced with the Grandstream HT502 my service reliability went way up. My PAP2T would reboot in the middle of calls causing the call to drop, some calls would go directly to voicemail without ringing and a lot of times the call would drop after attempting to pick them up while ringing..

The HT502 has been rock solid and I've had zero issues with dropped calls or any other problems since I received it.

[mikeb]

Ok, what about the RT31P2 that I received a year ago? I'm guessing that there are far less of those floating around than either the PAP2 and the HT502.
I like the Linksys RT31P2. It seems to work fine and the matching legs of my Linksys WRT54G router fit nicely on top of the RT31P2.

[christcorp]

Having been a part of VoipO since it's Alpha testing days, I've gone through quite a few adapters. Including some of my own. I remember having a grandstream at one time, during beta, but it had an issue. That's when we went to the PAP2. The issues were resolved and the grandstream is good again. I'm still using the PAP2. I was using my RT31P2 for a while because I was moving things around and wanted to gut my system. But I'm back to the PAP2. I do also have SIPDROID running on my Android phone. Works really well when I'm in an area with no cell coverage but I have WIFI.

[webman2k]

I'd estimate we have at least 3,000 RTs floating around.

Tim,

I'm a new customer and just received the Linksys RT31P2. I've had a few dropped calls in the few days it's been on. Sometimes right in the middle of a call, and sometimes when I pick up incoming calls. I'm wondering if the grandstream (based on feedback I see here) would make a difference.

Now, I do have it added to my existing router, and I see how that could potentially cause issues, but I'd like to keep it that way, and I'm wondering if the grandstream handles this type of connection better. I have an Apple Airport Extreme router, giving a static IP to the ATA. Other than that I just plugged it in. Does anyone have suggestions on how best to set this up, if there's something else I can do?

Sorry if I'm asking in the wrong place.

[burris]

Just to be sure, you did also create the same fixed IP on your ATA so the router will know where to look?

At the same time, I would suggest forwarding the UDP ports 5004-65000 to the ATA to the same fixed IP that you created there.

If you've done all this, ignore what I said..

[webman2k]

Just to be sure, you did also create the same fixed IP on your ATA so the router will know where to look?

At the same time, I would suggest forwarding the UDP ports 5004-65000 to the ATA to the same fixed IP that you created there.

If you've done all this, ignore what I said..

Thanks for the response. I haven't done these things. I can set the forwarding ports, but I can't access the ATA to change any settings there. When I type in it's URL, I get nothing. Is there a precise URL for it's web interface? Thanks!

[burris]

Thanks for the response. I haven't done these things. I can set the forwarding ports, but I can't access the ATA to change any settings there. When I type in it's URL, I get nothing. Is there a precise URL for it's web interface? Thanks!

I haven't had one of those in a long time and my senior moment won't allow me to remember.

For sure, you can call support and if you can't do it yourself, they will do it for you...

[ThorsDad]

When I type in it's URL, I get nothing. Is there a precise URL for it's web interface? Thanks!

Log into your router and see what IP it is handing out to your ATA. Just type that IP into your browser. For example my ATA is at: http://192.168.1.7

[LoadStar]

Thanks for the response. I haven't done these things. I can set the forwarding ports, but I can't access the ATA to change any settings there. When I type in it's URL, I get nothing. Is there a precise URL for it's web interface? Thanks!

The RT31P2 is both an ATA and a router. The webpage is only available from behind the router by default. Connect your computer directly to one of the ports on the RT31P2, check what your computer's gateway is, then enter that IP address in your web browser.

I can provide additional info if needed, just ask.

[rcc344]

I've used BYOD Linksys PAP2 and PAP2T on this and other systems. They work great, but have the issue of TT talk-off. This is the generation of a touch-tone when triggered by a female voice. My wife's sister could be a Capt Crunch the way she would trip the talk-off. I switched to the Cisco SPA2102 an with the latest firmware does not have the talk-off problem. There is a selectable touch-tone delay in the config. The SPA2102 also has the built-in router, similar to the Ht502. That said, I keep the SPA2102 as a back-up and use a BYOD HT502 configured with VoIPo on port 1 and another provider on port 2. That was another lesson learned, don't put all your communication with one provider. In any case, the PAP2T is no longer supported with firmware upgrades and does not hold off on TT generation. I wouldn't use one.

[FarmerBob]

My inquiry is based on all the posts here about the GS unit showing it's the latest and greatest. And was wondering why. I'm in the process of cutting the POTS cord. Mainly due to the fact that CenturyLink just took over and everything has gone to POTs. Punt intended. I'm also looking to change DSL providers as well as dump several POTS lines. And I whole heartedly agree about not putting all comms with one provider. As per my past experiences and that in the grand scheme of things the industry is still in its infancy.

That is the basis of my inquiry here about the gear. If I am going to make this move, it needs to be solid and I want he best gear to circumvent issues that I have had that were listed here that it looks like the Grandstream takes care of. And if it does trans bridge, that's another plus in putting it at the head of the stream. Leaving it in a position that should leave it "impervious" to the "issues" I have had that has been keeping me from making the final move.

Plus I have not had good luck in my many years in trying to use Linksys gear. Left a bit of a "bad taste". More so since Cisco bought them as an "entry" level product line and have kept them that way. I might have to seriously check into the GS. I can not afford the issues I have had. Especially since it'll be my only connection. And if it works as I hope, my only connection to be installed at many locations serving many people. Although, it goes against putting too many eggs in one basket. And if what you say about the PAP no longer supported, that would make other sense as to why HT502's are going out.

We'll see. Thanks.

[burris]

I have the GS...PAP2T...SPA2102..and who knows what else.

Even though I can go in have done my own programming, etc., I have chosen to let VOIPo do the configuration on-line by them.
Even though it goes against my basic nature, letting them control it has been flawless for me.

For some time now I have been using the GS502 and hope I'm not jinxing it by saying so, the service for me is as good as it gets...

I sometimes connect the PAP2 and this also works well...and my SPA2102 is a gem.

I use a separate router as I have never found a combined ATA/router or Modem/router combo to work very well. Just my experience. I will only put my ATA or modems behind my router and with port forwarding, I have smooth sailing.

Insofar as your desire to have unfailing service in the VOIP world, I don't think it exists. We are tied to the quality of our ISPs as well as the rest of the internet.

[FarmerBob]

I have the GS...PAP2T...SPA2102..and who knows what else.

Even though I can go in have done my own programming, etc., I have chosen to let VOIPo do the configuration on-line by them.
Even though it goes against my basic nature, letting them control it has been flawless for me.

For some time now I have been using the GS502 and hope I'm not jinxing it by saying so, the service for me is as good as it gets...

I sometimes connect the PAP2 and this also works well...and my SPA2102 is a gem.

I use a separate router as I have never found a combined ATA/router or Modem/router combo to work very well. Just my experience. I will only put my ATA or modems behind my router and with port forwarding, I have smooth sailing.

Insofar as your desire to have unfailing service in the VOIP world, I don't think it exists. We are tied to the quality of our ISPs as well as the rest of the internet.
Thanks for the info. And I find it funny that you have your fear of "jinxing" your prosperity by talking about it. BUT I have had direct results to the negative jinx, each time I talk about it. That is why it has taken me so long to make a move. But I'm going to have to bite the bullet and jump. As far as "unfailing" service, I agree, it does not exist. But I am trying to get best from what I have. From what I have been through for trouble shooting with my PAP2T, the GS502 seems to put itself in the space that VoIPO seems to imply that is the best for service. This can not be done with a PAP2T. Although I have all the ports forwarded and the unit in the DMZ, which leaves it out the open, there still are issues. So, I my mind if one piece of gear doesn't do it, then move on to another. And the coincidental increased use of the 502 leads me to wonder.

I'm open to all variables. I just need to get the best out of this. Even if it means a new provider. Which I probably won't do, since they're all just about the same. VoIPO has a few less features than ones I have used in the past. So . . . . now back to wondering. Maybe taking the jump is what is will take. Sittin' on this barbed wire fence is pokin' holes in my . . . . pants.