Cheaper to resell plans directly from Voipo?

[tylerlc]

Am I the only one that finds it cheaper to just sign-up for plans on Voipo and resell that instead of worrying so much about minutes etc.?

[OregonVoIP]

This would be in direct violation of VoIPo terms and Conditions. Congratulations.

[tylerlc]

Could you point that out in the terms?

[OregonVoIP]

i will have to go through my reseller terms and conditions (they are more detailed, like the ones emailed).

If you are trying to make money and dont want to resell why not join there affiliate program or become an agent for a VoIPo reseller?

[tylerlc]

Ahhh, I see. Would this have shown up in the normal TOS? I read every inch and can't find any mentioning. I want to resell, but I can't compete with local phone companies with rates that Voipo provides through the reseller. I am in a rural location and many of my potential clients would be using this for their main home line. (470 minutes is not even close to their averages as cell phone service is limited)

[OregonVoIP]

yeah, idk, i went straight reseller, just saw it in there. if you wanna catch me about it you can reach me on Gtalk: sales.jeffgray@gmail.com

I can dig through.

[tylerlc]

Thanks, I can't even find the copy that they sent me. I did sign-up for a reseller account. Anyway, thanks!

[tylerlc]

I read through the reseller terms: http://www.voipo.com/reseller-tos.php and found no implied denial of this. I have opened a ticket to confirm.

[OregonVoIP]

interesting, i remember reading it, but best of luck! reselling is nice! you can offer things voipo cant (promos, etc etc)

[tylerlc]

Very true, mind if I add you on Gmail?

[OregonVoIP]

more than welcome to.

[wingsohot]

I've been reselling for about 2 years now, and I will tell you that many, but not all, use more than 1,000 minutes in a month. The idea is to get enough clients signed up to average the usage at 470 minutes or below. This takes alot of time to accomplish, but it can be done. You can take a peek at my site that I setup to resell, at http://www.citywidephone.com

[tylerlc]

Thanks for the input. I expected many probably go over 1000 minutes per month. Although, you're still making money either way, just more with the clients with low usage. Do you see many over 2000?

[wingsohot]

Yes, some do go over 2,000 per month, however alot of the minutes are used to call toll free numbers, of which you will not be billed for. Problem is, those toll free call minutes are deducted from your 1,000 free monthly minutes.

[tylerlc]

I assume that not many do though (go over 2000). Would that be safe to assume?

[GreenLantern]

It depends on what kind of customers you are selling to, and what type of equipment you are allowing.

Even with just the 2 line analog adapter, you could have some work at home or small business customers that hit 3000 to 4000 minutes every month.

And if you allow BYOD customers, usage can skyrocket past 10,000 minutes per month. That's why most voip providers have fine print in their TOS limiting usage to "typical residential use" of some number like 5000 minutes. So there's really no such thing as "unlimited" calling in most cases.

(sidenote: wingsohot is correct that a lot of that could be Toll Free calls. I hope Tim/voipo eventually get around to separating out Toll Free calls rather than lumping them in with domestic usage.)

[tylerlc]

Thanks for the detailed response.

I've decided to cover everything in the terms of service similar to how you have suggested.

Thanks again!

[wingsohot]

I assume that not many do though (go over 2000). Would that be safe to assume?

That would be safe to assume, at least in my case.

[AnyWho]

I'd like others to weigh in on what usage they're seeing from residential users with two-line analog adapters (not including calls to toll-free numbers).

I wonder what accounts for the discrepancy between the number Voipo cites (470 minutes) and what resellers are seeing.

[OregonVoIP]

I'd like others to weigh in on what usage they're seeing from residential users with two-line analog adapters (not including calls to toll-free numbers).

I wonder what accounts for the discrepancy between the number Voipo cites (470 minutes) and what resellers are seeing.

it really varies bro.

You will always get a good look when having to collect the bill.

I have one customer that uses 3-12 minutes a month... and some customers that work from home that use 1200-1600.

It really just depends on the customer and the month.

Keep your price to where you don't lose based on your terms and conditions, and just make sure you charge enough to cover your basis.

If you plan on reselling at 6-10$/month with no other price points, you are GOING to lose money, law of averages man.

Each of us have different type of customers, and every customer is different than the next.

[CarpenterCalling]

May I ask how much that website cost? I mean the one posted "all citywide something".