What about TA equipment

[fisamo]

So since you're giving resellers the SIP credentials, you are effectively giving resellers the option to offer full-access BYOD to their customers. Are the reseller accounts tied to separate SIP servers (not east01, central01, etc)? Will resellers be able to change sip credentials for their customers?

[VOIPoTim]

So since you're giving resellers the SIP credentials, you are effectively giving resellers the option to offer full-access BYOD to their customers. Are the reseller accounts tied to separate SIP servers (not east01, central01, etc)? Will resellers be able to change sip credentials for their customers?

Right it's basically full BYOD and the resellers can do whatever they want. There's a lot more protection with this for us because it's all restricted by accounting.

So if a reseller gives one of their customers BYOD and the customer forwards a number to itself causing a loop, it would only continue until the reseller's prepaid balance was depleted vs indefinitely.

This is one of the reasons the more BYOD oriented companies like CallCentric, etc don't have as many issues with loops...it's all prepaid and balance based and the acounting will kill the loop.

[fisamo]

So if a loop can deplete a reseller's account, does that mean that in-network (and/or SIP) calls are billed per minute? If so, is it at the same rate as PSTN calls, or at a 'discount'?

[usa2k]

I would expect in-network to be a $0.00, right?
Does forwarding always use PSTN?

Will sip calls be a reduced cost?

[VOIPoTim]

So if a loop can deplete a reseller's account, does that mean that in-network (and/or SIP) calls are billed per minute? If so, is it at the same rate as PSTN calls, or at a 'discount'?

In network and SIP are free, but still go through accounting since all calls are "rated" even if cost is $0 so can still be caught.

[usa2k]

In network and SIP are free, but still go through accounting since all calls are "rated" even if cost is $0 so can still be caught.

RATED: Meaning separate totals.

In SIP:
In On Network:
In PSTN - Domestic:
Out SIP:
Out PSTN - Domestic:
Out PSTN - International:
Out On Network:

Because all the minutes used are accounted for,
the free SIP calls could theoretically allow a reseller to charge for the time used.

VOIPo I expect will charge USF fees as a percentage of the cost VOIPo charges the Reseller.
Does that mean the Reseller needs to pay any USF on their mark-up?

Wondering what internalized fees VOIPo addresses and if the Reseller needs to consider additional USF and taxes?

[VOIPoTim]

RATED: Meaning separate totals.

In SIP:
In On Network:
In PSTN - Domestic:
Out SIP:
Out PSTN - Domestic:
Out PSTN - International:
Out On Network:

Because all the minutes used are accounted for,
the free SIP calls could theoretically allow a reseller to charge for the time used.

VOIPo I expect will charge USF fees as a percentage of the cost VOIPo charges the Reseller.
Does that mean the Reseller needs to pay any USF on their mark-up?

Wondering what internalized fees VOIPo addresses and if the Reseller needs to consider additional USF and taxes?

Yes, we collect USF on all usage based items. USF does not apply to the reseller account fee and phone number fees since those are not actually calling traffic.

USF does apply to and is automatically charged for minute usage.